Automax Maximiser

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Automax Maximiser

Postby baty92 » Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:11 am

hey guys,

I need to order a automax for a solar car.
I also need to know if he will work with a faulhaber 006 2232 SR, with solar painel giving something near 7V and 1,300 mA.
If you can sell me one tony, send me ur payment method and all stuff needed to the payment and order, as fast as you can ;)
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Re: Automax Maximiser

Postby TonyB » Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:47 pm

Hey baty92,
I can sell you one, however you will need at least 10volts (open circuit) to run the unit properly.
It will work with any panel 10-30Voc @ 20mA - 1.5Amps.
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Re: Automax Maximiser

Postby baty92 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:15 am

So i should put 10v in my solar module? i can get like 10V with 800mA. I can still use a 6V 2232 faulhaber?:o
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Re: Automax Maximiser

Postby TonyB » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:33 am

Yep the automax was actually designed and tested using a 2232SR as thats what we use in the aimscc.
Youll find a panel with a Voc of around 15-16volts would be ideal. That motor will happily run at twice its recommended voltage for short periods.
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Re: Automax Maximiser

Postby baty92 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:53 am

I have 25 cells of 1V and 0.415mA avaible, i can test arround.
may you send me by private or like you want, to where i can send you my adress and payment etc.?

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Re: Automax Maximiser

Postby baty92 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:30 pm

don't you have any maximiser that dont run the motor twice as recomended? dont you have any one apropiated to 6v?
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Re: Automax Maximiser

Postby miseli » Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:10 am

Hello baty92,

If you have 25 modules of 1V and 0.415mA available (are these futurlec cells by the way?) then why don't you make a panel using around 15 or 16 of these connected in series?
I am currently putting together a low power panel (around 6W) for the AIMSCC using around this number of futurlec modules to see if they're any good because they're so cheap. If they end up being half decent then that's a quality model solar car panel for like 60 AUD.

If your intended application is some kind of model solar car then the 2232 6V motor will easily handle the extra voltage from a solar panel and have no problems running a little overspeed. In fact, many teams competing in the AIMSCC will have the 2232 running at over 15000 rpm by the end of a race in good sunlight. Dynamometer tests have even taken this motor beyond 20000 rpm for short periods of time without damage.

The cars that finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th in Australia in 2011 all used panels that had maximum power voltages of around 18V or 19V without any problems. Of course, having such a high panel voltage doesn't however necessarily mean that the motor voltage has to get (or will ever get) that high though.

The maximum voltage that the 2232 will see throughout a model solar car race will depend on the gearing of the car and so one can pretty much set things up to get almost whatever voltage (up to the panel voltage) is wanted across the motor no matter what voltage the panel is. For example you could have a 10W, 20V@0.5A panel where the gear ratio limits the motor voltage to only 10V at top speed. If it is assumed that the Automax is 100% efficient (not quite but let's pretend) then that means a 1A motor current. Similarly, a gear ratio could instead be used to give 5V across the motor at top speed with a 2A motor current or 15V@0.67A.
Anyway, I won't go into the specifics but, in general, the maximum voltage seen across the 2232 at the end of a single lap race is somewhere around the 15V mark for a fast car in good sunlight. Stray too far below this and the higher motor currents will result in higher resistive losses in the motor and also lower electronics efficiencies during a race. Conversely, going too far above this (for a higher voltage panel where the motor voltage is still less than the Vmp) will result in higher no-load motor losses and possible overspeed damage to the motor. Getting the motor voltage above the panel Vmp means a sharp drop off in panel power and so going much beyond this should be avoided. In other words, for a panel that has a Vmp of 15V the motor voltage shouldn't really be allowed to get above 15V.

Taking all of this into account I would therefore suggest starting off with a 15 - 16V (Vmp) panel, the Automax, a 2232 6V motor and around a 5:1 or 6:1 gear ratio with a 50 - 60mm drive wheel diameter. Follow that up with some testing to fine tune things. For a fast car, that should get the motor voltage up to somewhere around 15V (Vmp) by the end of a race in good sun (voltage will be lower for a slower car). This same car setup can then more or less be left unchanged for most weather conditions.

With a high voltage panel (20V is beginning to get a little high) I would advise teams not to go free-running their drive wheel without applying a load or otherwise risk damage to the 2232.

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Re: Automax Maximiser

Postby baty92 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:27 am

thanks a LOT miseli!

you helped me so much! thanks a lot!
I just pay right now the automax, and when he arrives, i will start testing with wheels from ratio of 4:1 to 8:1, with some 6v battery.
My school can just pay the material with bank transfer, so, i sent a mail to futurlec but they never answer me -.-''''', so i just found a shop here in portugal that have some 84x62x4 mm solar cells of 1V 0,5A. They are a little biggers, but we need to have hower solar module done in like 3 weeks, to start testing on the car.

Thanks a lot again ;D
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